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Sep 14, 2014, 11:06 am
#31
mech11
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What ever she gets, 700,000 or a cup of coffee, she will get more then any one here. Speaking of which, it could have been a scolding cup of coffee from Mc Donalds. where as she should be going for more.
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Sep 14, 2014, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by KenHamer
Oh yeah sure, like you would know....
Clearly you don't know anything about the law, else you'd know that most FTers are in fact lawyers.
Including the poster you answered to, no?
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Sep 14, 2014, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by KenHamer
Oh yeah sure, like you would know....
Clearly you don't know anything about the law, else you'd know that most FTers are in fact lawyers.
Including the poster you answered to, no?
I forgot the /sarcasm tag.
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Sep 14, 2014, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by rehoult
Please provide some cites for where AB courts have been giving out 200K when the only physical injury was a hurt hand. Because they seem have slipped past me.
Do your own research.
I remember when a severe whiplash only warranted $3,000 - before the cap. Then one day Mr. Justice Cawsey gave a $20,000 verdict and....
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Sep 14, 2014, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by margarita girl
She probably got a 5% off code (base fare only) and decided to get even!
LOL the perfect response!
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Sep 15, 2014, 10:52 am
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The loss of income is over an entire career so I don't think that $700K is all that out of line. She could be a waitress in a high-end restaurant and her income over a career could be that much. Imaging if she was a concert pianist!
Now whether the plaintiff can prove the injury is significant enough, permanent enough, caused by the defendant, etc., that's another story, but I don't find $700K such a huge amount in and of itself. Are salaries that much lower in Canada?
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Sep 15, 2014, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by You want to go where?
Now whether the plaintiff can prove the injury is significant enough, permanent enough, caused by the defendant, etc., that's another story, but I don't find $700K such a huge amount in and of itself. Are salaries that much lower in Canada?
According to Google:
Statistics Canada has just released its latest report on the salaries that Canadians are earning. And it turns out that we're taking home a little more than we were a year earlier. The average wage for Canadian employees is currently $928 per week – or just about $48,250 a year.
Now, that seems allot lower than most of us FF's probably make, if we're business travellers. But that's apparently the average Canadian salary.
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Sep 15, 2014, 2:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Absolute
According to Google:
Statistics Canada has just released its latest report on the salaries that Canadians are earning. And it turns out that we're taking home a little more than we were a year earlier. The average wage for Canadian employees is currently $928 per week – or just about $48,250 a year.
Now, that seems allot lower than most of us FF's probably make, if we're business travellers. But that's apparently the average Canadian salary.
I am not going to go to the trouble of a complicated mathematical exercise to determine the net present value of that figure, combined with salary increases, inflation, how much could be earned on a lump sum over the same period, but at that salary rate in 25 years with no increases a person would earn 1.2 million. That doesn't make 700K all that out of whack.
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Sep 15, 2014, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by You want to go where?
I am not going to go to the trouble of a complicated mathematical exercise to determine the net present value of that figure, combined with salary increases, inflation, how much could be earned on a lump sum over the same period, but at that salary rate in 25 years with no increases a person would earn 1.2 million. That doesn't make 700K all that out of whack.
In Canada that sort of calculation wouldn't fly. People aren't awarded close to a million for almost any reason here - a bag falling from an overhead bin onto someones hand would be right at the bottom of any potential list of reasons, if it makes it on there at all.
It isn't like she is unemployable (for the hand damage reason, at least) at her previous salary or higher either for the rest of her life. I'm no lawyer, but lost wages for a lifetime would be stupid if she can move into another job with minimal training and earn essentially the same pay.
I'd honestly be surprised if AC had to pay $1.
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Sep 15, 2014, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by winnipegrev
In Canada that sort of calculation wouldn't fly. People aren't awarded close to a million for almost any reason here - a bag falling from an overhead bin onto someones hand would be right at the bottom of any potential list of reasons, if it makes it on there at all.
It isn't like she is unemployable (for the hand damage reason, at least) at her previous salary or higher either for the rest of her life. I'm no lawyer, but lost wages for a lifetime would be stupid if she can move into another job with minimal training and earn essentially the same pay.
I'd honestly be surprised if AC had to pay $1.
I realize that the following hypothetical has nothing to do with the case at hand, but I am interested in how the rest of the world thinks about compensation for injury. What if the person in question was a concert pianist, not a stylist, and had her hand crushed by something that was clearly in Air Canada's, for example, an overhead bin itself falling, not just something falling out of it. Said pianist would never work again at that career, thereby significantly reducing her earnings. Would that justify a high award?
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Sep 15, 2014, 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by winnipegrev
In Canada that sort of calculation wouldn't fly. People aren't awarded close to a million for almost any reason here - a bag falling from an overhead bin onto someones hand would be right at the bottom of any potential list of reasons, if it makes it on there at all.
It isn't like she is unemployable (for the hand damage reason, at least) at her previous salary or higher either for the rest of her life. I'm no lawyer, but lost wages for a lifetime would be stupid if she can move into another job with minimal training and earn essentially the same pay.
I'd honestly be surprised if AC had to pay $1.
It is apparent you know very little about what you speak.
Liability is the main issue here but that appears to have escaped you and many others....
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Sep 15, 2014, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by You want to go where?
I realize that the following hypothetical has nothing to do with the case at hand, but I am interested in how the rest of the world thinks about compensation for injury. What if the person in question was a concert pianist, not a stylist, and had her hand crushed by something that was clearly in Air Canada's, for example, an overhead bin itself falling, not just something falling out of it. Said pianist would never work again at that career, thereby significantly reducing her earnings. Would that justify a high award?
Of course it would but many of the self-styled 'experts-on-any-issue' here know better....
As for the 'case in hand' (was that an intentional pun?), there are few facts if any other than a brief newspaper article. Doesn't stop the 'experts.'
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Sep 15, 2014, 3:36 pm
#43
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Originally Posted by ProudEdmontonian
It is apparent you know very little about what you speak.
Liability is the main issue here but that appears to have escaped you and many others....
Will all your chest-puffing, you had better be sure of some huge award. Care to make a prediction for all of us mere mortals? Hopefully, it'll be more spot-on than YEG's 'big things are coming' (cue UA's EWR pullout) that you repeatedly claimed.
Show us what your law degree can do. Then, we can all hope for a public judgement to compare.
But you really shouldn't be calling us out on being skeptical if you refuse to produce examples of >200K hand awards another poster requested, telling us to research them ourselves as though they are so common
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Sep 15, 2014, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by winnipegrev
Will all your chest-puffing, you had better be sure of some huge award. Care to make a prediction for all of us mere mortals? Hopefully, it'll be more spot-on than YEG's 'big things are coming' (cue UA's EWR pullout) that you repeatedly claimed.
Show us what your law degree can do. Then, we can all hope for a public judgement to compare.
But you really shouldn't be calling us out on being skeptical if you refuse to produce examples of >200K hand awards another poster requested, telling us to research them ourselves as though they are so common
I'll call you out 100% of the time.
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Sep 15, 2014, 4:56 pm
#45
Donaldymacpherson
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Originally Posted by eyeball1
She's probably just aiming high but wants the quick 50K settlement to go away.
Bingo!
Regardless, it is amazing that someone who caused 1.15Mill worth of damages to themselves getting on an airplane wasn't killed earlier in life... Pathetic suit.
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